Legislature(2001 - 2002)

08/22/2002 01:15 PM House BUD

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                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
                       JOINT COMMITTEE ON                                                                                     
                   LEGISLATIVE BUDGET & AUDIT                                                                                 
                        August 22, 2002                                                                                         
                           1:15 p.m.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
SENATE MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Senator Lyman Hoffman                                                                                                           
Senator Gary Wilken                                                                                                             
Chair Gene Therriault                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Representative John Harris                                                                                                      
Representative Ken Lancaster                                                                                                    
Representative Eldon Mulder                                                                                                     
Representative John Davies                                                                                                      
Vice Chair Hugh Fate                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
SENATE MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Senator Jerry Ward                                                                                                              
Senator Randy Phillips                                                                                                          
Senator Dave Donley                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Representative Reggie Joule                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
REVISED PROGRAMS (RPLs)                                                                                                         
OTHER COMMITTEE BUSINESS                                                                                                        
AUDIT REPORTS                                                                                                                   
VETERANS' HOME STUDY                                                                                                            
AUDIT REQUESTS                                                                                                                  
FEDERAL REVIEW OF DIVISION OF FAMILY & YOUTH SERVICES                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
PREVIOUS ACTION                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
No previous action to record                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
SUSAN SCUDDER, Executive Director                                                                                               
Council on Domestic Violence & Sexual Assault                                                                                   
Department of Public Safety                                                                                                     
P.O. Box 111200                                                                                                                 
Juneau, AK 99811-1200                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
KAREN REHFIELD, Director                                                                                                        
Education Support Services                                                                                                      
Department of Education and Early Development                                                                                   
801 W 10th Street, Suite 200                                                                                                    
Juneau, Alaska 99801-1894                                                                                                       
POSITION STATEMENT:  Discussed RPL Number 05-02-0845.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
STAN FOO, Mining Section Manager                                                                                                
Division of Mining, Land & Water                                                                                                
Department of Natural Resources                                                                                                 
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550 W 7 Avenue, Suite 650                                                                                                       
Anchorage, AK 99501-3576                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MILT WILTSE, Director                                                                                                           
Division of Geological & Geophysical Surveys                                                                                    
Department of Natural Resources                                                                                                 
794 University Avenue, Suite 200                                                                                                
Fairbanks, AK 99707-3645                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
NICO BUS, Administrative Services Manager                                                                                       
Division of Support Services                                                                                                    
Department of Natural Resources                                                                                                 
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400 Willoughby Avenue, 5 Floor                                                                                                  
Juneau, AK 99801-1724                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
KARLA SCHOFIELD, Deputy Director                                                                                                
Legislative Affairs Agency                                                                                                      
State Capitol                                                                                                                   
Juneau, AK 99801-1182                                                                                                           
Room 222 Terry Miller Bldg                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
PHILLIP VOLLAND                                                                                                                 
Volland & Taylor, PC                                                                                                            
211 H Street                                                                                                                    
Anchorage, AK 99501                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
PAT DAVIDSON, Legislative Auditor                                                                                               
Division of Legislative Audit                                                                                                   
Alaska State Legislature                                                                                                        
333 Willoughby Avenue                                                                                                           
P.O. Box 113300                                                                                                                 
Juneau, Alaska  99811-3300                                                                                                      
POSITION  STATEMENT:    Spoke  on   behalf  of  the  Division  of                                                               
Legislative Audit.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
HEATHER BRAKES, Staff                                                                                                           
Senator Therriault                                                                                                              
Joint Committee on Legislative Budget & Audit                                                                                   
Alaska State Legislature                                                                                                        
Capitol Building, Room 121                                                                                                      
Juneau, AK  99801                                                                                                               
POSITION  STATEMENT:   Testified  with  regard  to the  education                                                               
study.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
NANCY SLAGLE, Director                                                                                                          
Division of Administrative Services                                                                                             
Department of Transportation & Public Facilities                                                                                
3132 Channel Drive                                                                                                              
Juneau, Alaska 99801-7898                                                                                                       
POSITION STATEMENT:   Explained the  need to change the  title of                                                               
four projects.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
DAVID TEAL, Legislative Fiscal Analyst                                                                                          
Legislative Finance Division                                                                                                    
Alaska State Legislature                                                                                                        
PO BOX 113200                                                                                                                   
Juneau, Alaska 99811                                                                                                            
POSITION STATEMENT:   Spoke on behalf of  the Legislative Finance                                                               
Division.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
TAPE LBA 6, SIDE A                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR GENE  THERRIAULT called the Joint  Committee on Legislative                                                               
Budget &  Audit to  order at  1:15 p.m.  on Thursday,  August 22,                                                               
2002.      Senators   Therriault,  Hoffman,   and   Wilken,   and                                                               
Representatives  Harris, Lancaster,  Davies,  and  Fate were  all                                                               
present at the roll call.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
REVISED PROGRAMS (RPLs)                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
RPL Number:  06-03-0082                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  THERRIAULT  announced that  the  first  order of  business                                                               
would be the RPL for the  Department of Health & Social Services,                                                               
Juvenile Offender "Going Home" Re-Entry Initiative.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
LAURA BAKER,  Budget Chief, Division of  Administrative Services,                                                               
Department  of Health  and Social  Services,  explained that  the                                                               
request before the  committee is related to  the $211,881 federal                                                               
receipts from  the U.S. Department  of Justice under  the serious                                                               
and  violent offender  re-entry initiative.   The  funds will  be                                                               
used by the Division to  enhance the management of juveniles that                                                               
are  being   released  after  long  term   confinement  from  the                                                               
McGaughlin Youth Center.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
VICE CHAIR FATE asked if a motion should be made.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR THERRIAULT stated  that would be fine  after the discussion                                                               
wraps  up.   He then  asked  Ms. Baker  why the  funding was  not                                                               
included in the budget.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MS.  BAKER  replied  that because  the  original  grant  proposal                                                               
stated the funding  would go to private  non-profits the Division                                                               
did  not apply  for the  grant.   In  July of  2002 the  division                                                               
received official notification  that the focus of  the grants had                                                               
changed  and  would  be  going   to  state  agencies  that  would                                                               
coordinate with  community partners.   That notification  came on                                                               
July 22, 2002.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR THERRIAULT asked  if there were questions  of the committee                                                               
members.  And  noted that Legislative Finance had  stated that no                                                               
general  funds were  needed  for this  project  in future  years,                                                               
general  funds  may be  required  to  secure alternative  funding                                                               
sources.   He wanted  to know  if that was  for any  future match                                                               
requirement.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
PEGGY WARE, Division of Juvenile  Justice, Department of Health &                                                               
Social Services stated that at  this point the federal government                                                               
funding for  research and  programs for  re-entry programs  so at                                                               
this point they don't anticipate the use of general funds.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR HOFFMAN inquired  about the bulk of the  funds being used                                                               
as  grant money  and wanted  to know  where the  grants would  be                                                               
going.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
LAURA BAKER stated the grant  money would go to Alaska Children's                                                               
services.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
There were no further questions from committee members.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
VICE CHAIR FATE moved that  the Committee approve RPL 06-03-0082.                                                               
With no opposition the RPL was approved.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
RPL 10-03-4023                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR THERRIAULT  moved to  the next  RPL 10-03-4023  USGS Stream                                                               
Gaging Program, and asked who  was present from the Department to                                                               
discuss the RPL.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
NICO  BUS, Director  of  Administrative  Services, Department  of                                                               
Natural Resources explained the RPL.   The project was previously                                                               
funded through the Department of Community and Regional Affairs.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR THERRIAULT stated that the  Division of Legislative Finance                                                               
noted there  were no general funds  now or in the  future.  There                                                               
are  no anticipated  administrative costs  that would  be covered                                                               
with  existing   positions  within  the  Department.     The  LBA                                                               
Committee  staff  did  touch  base   with  the  finance  and  sub                                                               
committee  staff  overseeing  the   Department's  budget  and  no                                                               
concern had been expressed.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
VICE CHAIR FATE moved that  the Committee approve RPL 10-03-4023.                                                               
There was no opposition to the motion so the RPL was approved.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
RPL 10-03-4024                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  THERRIAULT moved  next to  RPL 10-03-4024  Kensington Mine                                                               
Project.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. BUS  presented the RPL  to the committee explaining  that the                                                               
project  was  for $500,000.    The  U.S.  Forest Service  is  the                                                               
recipient of the grant and will pass through to the Department.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  THERRIAULT asked  if the  company was  in Washington  D.C.                                                               
negotiating   with  Congressional   members  on   this  and   the                                                               
department was just unaware of it during the budget process.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
STAN  FOO, Section  Chief,  Division of  Mining,  Land, &  Water,                                                               
Department of  Natural Resources.   He explained  that Kensington                                                               
did  successfully work  with Congressional  delegation to  secure                                                               
the funds this last year.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR THERRIAULT  asked if  the department  was advised  that the                                                               
negotiations were on-going  and that is why there  was nothing in                                                               
the budget.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR.  FOO replied  that  as  far as  he  knew  the department  was                                                               
unaware of the negotiations.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REP. LANCASTER asked that the amount of the RPL be clarified.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. FOO replied that $202,000 was  the estimated amount for FY 03                                                               
and the  remainder would be rolled  over to the next  fiscal year                                                               
to finalize the permitting.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  THERRIAULT  wanted  to  clarify  that  the  Committee  not                                                               
augment any future years' budgets  but deal only with the current                                                               
fiscal year.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  LANCASTER again  asked for  clarification on  the                                                               
amount of the request.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  THERRIAULT  stated it  was  $202,000  for  FY 03  and  the                                                               
remainder  will  appear in  the  Governor's  proposed budget  for                                                               
Fiscal Year 04.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
VICE CHAIR FATE moved that  the Committee approve RPL 10-03-4024.                                                               
There being no opposition the RPL was approved.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
RPL Number: 10-03-4025                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  THERRIAULT  moved next  to  RPL  10-03-4025 Department  of                                                               
Natural Resources, Multiple  Federal Projects.  He  asked Mr. Bus                                                               
to explain the request.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. BUS  presented the  RPL stating it  was for  multiple federal                                                               
projects  in  the  development division.    For  these  different                                                               
projects that  the department needs  receipt of  federal funding.                                                               
Three  of the  projects  were considered  during the  legislative                                                               
session in  the supplemental,  but by  the time  the supplemental                                                               
budget was passed and the  projects were started, the funds could                                                               
not be expended in FY 02.   Those projects are Geophysics for the                                                               
Delta River Mining  Area, Methane and Metal  Access Corridor, and                                                               
[inaudible].                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
These  projects are  time  sensitive. The  funds  will be  passed                                                               
through the Bureau of Land Management.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. MILT  WILTSE, Division of  Geological &  Geophysical Surveys,                                                               
Department of Natural  Resources said he didn't  have anything to                                                               
add but was available for questions.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  HOFFMAN  asked  about  the first  project  on  the  page                                                               
referring to  the Aniak Mining  District project and  asked where                                                               
the project  originated from as he  was unaware of it.   Was this                                                               
something  that  the  Kuskokwim  area   sought  after  or  is  it                                                               
something that has come from other interested parties?                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. WILTSE  stated that the  request has come primarily  from the                                                               
Bureau  of land  management.   In the  case of  the Aniak  Mining                                                               
project  they've  been working  very  closely  with the  Chalista                                                               
Regional Native  Corporation and have held  several meetings with                                                               
them.  The representatives have been  part of this [inaudible . .                                                               
.]  the Bureau  of Land  Management  have been  working with  the                                                               
Native Corporation and the different mining groups in the area.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR HOFFMAN asked if this  has anything additional to do with                                                               
the Donlin Creek activity that is under study.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. WILTSE stated that Donlin Creek  was over flown in a previous                                                               
BLM geophysical  survey in that area.   He went on  to state that                                                               
what this will do is  extend the airborne geophysical coverage to                                                               
the  East  and to  the  South.    During  the meetings  with  the                                                               
Chalista Corporation,  one of the  things that BLM was  trying to                                                               
ascertain  was where  the  previous pilot  survey  areas were  in                                                               
terms  of  having  the best  chances  of  identifying  additional                                                               
mineralization.  He didn't believe  it would be connected to down                                                               
the creek.  It would be new areas of mineralization.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR HOFFMAN  stated the Mr.  Wiltse addressed the  issue that                                                               
Chalista has  been informed of  this, but  wanted to know  if the                                                               
board members had been informed as well.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. WILTSE  said he could  not speak to that.   He said  they had                                                               
been only  dealing with the  mineral group and assumed  that they                                                               
answered to the board.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR HOFFMAN  asked that Mr.  Wiltse keep his  office informed                                                               
of the  expenditure of  the funds  so he can  make sure  that the                                                               
board members were informed.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR THERRIAULT stated that Mr.  Wiltse has maintained a list of                                                               
areas that  as funding becomes  available the  division continues                                                               
down that list of flying and do the airborne mapping.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. WILTSE answered  yes that was correct actually  there are two                                                               
lists, one for the state and one for the federal lands.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR THERRIAULT asked that as far  as the Aniak area being added                                                               
they would  have been on a  list for a while  waiting for funding                                                               
to become available.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR. WILTSE  replied that  they have  an airport  survey scheduled                                                               
for  that  area but  not  for  this  particular  area.   This  is                                                               
something that is of interest  because it has build-potential but                                                               
a lot  of it is  on federal land.   In  cases of this  nature the                                                               
division  tends not  to fly  them with  state money  because they                                                               
don't have as much control of access as if it were state lands.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
VICE  CHAIR FATE  moved that  Committee  approve RPL  10-03-4025.                                                               
There being no opposition the RPL was approved.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
RPL Number: 12-03-0026                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR THERRIAULT  stated that  if any members  needed to  drop of                                                               
teleconference to please let him know.   He moved to the next RPL                                                               
12-03-0026 Department of Public  Safety Health Insurance Coverage                                                               
Assistance to Domestic Violence Shelters.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
SUSAN SCUTTER,  Council of Domestic Violence  and Sexual Assault,                                                               
was  present to  present the  RPL.   The division  was requesting                                                               
authority  to expend  federal  funds that  were  received in  the                                                               
amount of  $486,100 to cover  health insurance increases  for the                                                               
non-profit programs  statewide that  the division supports.   Ms.                                                               
Scudder stated that she would be happy to answer any questions.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR THERRIAULT asked why it  was not contained in the operating                                                               
budget during the legislative budget process.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS. SCUDDER replied  that the department funds the  shelters on a                                                               
two-year  funding cycle  and  it  is the  second  year.   So  the                                                               
increase  was   not  anticipated.     The  Department   was  also                                                               
optimistic that  HB 315  would pass and  provide some  relief for                                                               
the shelters.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  THERRIAULT  noted that  during  the  last four  years  the                                                               
Council  had lapsed  22 percent  of  its federal  authority.   He                                                               
asked if the total amount could not be expended in FY 03 budget.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MS.  SCUDDER stated  no that  the council  receives a  variety of                                                               
federal funds.  She went on  to state that the federal funds that                                                               
are obligated to  the operating of the shelters  are always fully                                                               
expended.  The other federal funds  that are received go over the                                                               
course of  several federal fiscal  years that  sometimes projects                                                               
are not completed or go into other fiscal years.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
REP.  FATE  moved  that the  Committee  approve  RPL  12-03-0026.                                                               
There being no opposition the RPL was approved.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
RPL Number: 31-03-0001                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                              
CHAIR   THERRIAULT  moved   on  to   the  final   RPL  31-03-0001                                                               
Legislative Affairs  Agency, 2002  Russian Civic  Hosting Program                                                               
During the Primary & November Elections.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
KARLA  SCHOFIELD, Deputy  Director,  Legislative Affairs  Agency,                                                               
explained  that  the  Legislature  was  requesting  authority  to                                                               
receive and expend  $81,281 in federal funds from  the Library of                                                               
Congress to  bring two  groups of Russians  to Alaska  to observe                                                               
the  elections.   Housing,  air  and  ground transportation,  and                                                               
translation interpretation  will be  provided.   Notification for                                                               
receipt of  the funds was not  received until late in  July 2002.                                                               
Ms. Schofield  explained that this  was the reason why  the funds                                                               
were not included  in the FY 03 budget process.   She stated that                                                               
Rhonda Thompson, Legislative  Staff, was in the  Anchorage LIO to                                                               
answer any questions.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  THERRIAULT stated  that because  it  was so  close to  the                                                               
primary election,  was the  group in Alaska  and the  Agency used                                                               
other funds and now it would be backfilling.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.  SCHOFIELD said  that the  Presiding Officers  had authorized                                                               
reimbursement  of  transportation  and  meal  allowances  as  the                                                               
Russian Delegates had already arrived in Alaska.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE DAVIES was unsure of the  amount of the RPL as the                                                               
back-up showed $83,281.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MS. SCHOFIELD clarified the amount was $83,281 as requested.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
VICE CHAIR FATE moved that  the Committee approve RPL 31-03-0001.                                                               
There being no objection the RPL was approved.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
OTHER COMMITTEE BUSINESS                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  THERRIAULT  moved to  the  invoices  of the  redistricting                                                               
board.  He stated that each  member should have received the back                                                               
up.  The   appropriation  was  granted   to  the   Committee  for                                                               
$2,789,000  section 55  of SB  2006.   The last  sentence of  the                                                               
appropriation reads  "the balance of the  appropriation after the                                                               
Committee has  paid the prevailing  parties' fees was to  be used                                                               
to  pay  legal fees  of  the  redistricting board  as  determined                                                               
appropriate by  the Legislative Budget  & Audit Committee."   The                                                               
committee  has  already  paid the  prevailing  parties'  district                                                               
court fees because  the language in the  appropriation stated the                                                               
committee must do so once determined by the Court Order.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR THERRIAULT stated  that he did authorize  a partial payment                                                               
while waiting  to get  the meeting scheduled  in late  July 2002.                                                               
He  stated  that  Phil  Volland  and Vicki  Otte,  Chair  of  the                                                               
Redistricting Board  were both  present.  He  stated he  had been                                                               
contacted by  Bert Sharp member  of the Board and  former Senator                                                               
in support of  payment.  Also Charlie Cole  had expressed support                                                               
as  well as  Ms. Otte.    He hoped  committee members  had had  a                                                               
chance to review the billings.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR THERRIAULT directed  members to tab 4 in the  binders.  The                                                               
section had  a break down  of outstanding bills less  the interim                                                               
payment left a total of $217,856 outstanding.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. VOLLAND stated he was  present to answer questions and assist                                                               
the committee anyway he could.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR THERRIAULT  stated that  he had  requested Pat  Davidson to                                                               
take  a look  at the  billings and  the track  those to  what was                                                               
actually taking  place in  the trial.   She indicated  that those                                                               
look accurate.  He stated he had  a question on the July 20, 2002                                                               
billing.  On  the second page MDB paralegal billing  was shown as                                                               
an  hourly rate  of  $25/hour for  archiving  services.   Senator                                                               
Therriault  was concerned  that  the  work should  be  more of  a                                                               
secretarial type duty and not a legal fee.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. VOLLAND stated there were two  reasons.  He was asked in July                                                               
by  State Archives  to compile  the fullest  set of  materials on                                                               
redistricting.    He  went  on  to  explain  that  he  asked  for                                                               
authority from  the Board to  pay his staff  to do so  because it                                                               
was about 60,000  pages altogether.  He felt an  obligation to do                                                               
so in an organized fashion to benefit the state in the future.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HARRIS  asked if  this was  just dealing  with the                                                               
Volland  &  Taylor  aspect  of   the  appropriation  or  was  the                                                               
committee dealing with any public interest litigants.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR THERRIAULT  stated that the  prevailing parties'  bills had                                                               
been  paid.   The final  action of  the Supreme  Court was  still                                                               
undecided.   He expressed some  concern about the wording  of the                                                               
appropriation,  but felt  comfortable  that there  would be  some                                                               
balance left in the appropriation after all invoices were paid.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR   THERRIAULT   expressed   concern  about   the   archiving                                                               
discussion between Mr. Volland and the Board.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. VOLLAND stated he would  provide Senator Therriault a copy of                                                               
the minutes as soon as he returned to his office.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR HOFFMAN asked about he  invoice for February 20, 2002, on                                                               
page 4 for Pacific Rim real  time transcription from January 14 -                                                               
25 for $28,000.  He wanted to know what that purchased.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. VOLLAND  explained that the redistricting  trial was somewhat                                                               
unique   in  the   sense  that   the  Constitution   required  an                                                               
accelerated trial  and appeal  and the  Alaska Supreme  Court had                                                               
issued an  order setting a deadline  for the trial court  to rule                                                               
and an  immediate appeal after the  trial court ruled.   The only                                                               
way  to accomplish  a  transcript  that would  be  ready for  the                                                               
Supreme Court  was to  provide a  real time  transcription during                                                               
trial.  A specialized court  reporter took down testimony in real                                                               
time so  a daily transcript was  provided.  It is  something that                                                               
the  trial judge  suggested.   The  cost was  split between  both                                                               
parties.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
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CHAIR THERRIAULT  asked about the March  20  billing  regarding a                                                               
supplemental issue.   He asked if that dealt with  the need for a                                                               
supplemental appropriation.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR.  VOLLAND stated  that  his guess  was that  it  dealt with  a                                                               
supplemental appropriation.   He  recalled that he  was contacted                                                               
through Vicki Otte  or directly by someone in  the legislature to                                                               
provide  estimates for  that need.    He needed  to prepare  some                                                               
documents accordingly.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR THERRIAULT  asked about  a billing  for a  telephone call                                                               
with court  and KTOO  regarding public  access on  page 3  of the                                                               
March billing.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. VOLLAND stated that was with  regard to the Supreme Court.  A                                                               
live webcasting  of the  trial was provided  and there  were some                                                               
questions  as  to  whether  that would  be  provided  during  the                                                               
Supreme Court arguments as well.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR THERRIAULT asked  about the June 20 billing  for Mr. Taylor                                                               
                                                            th                                                                  
attending oral argument  before the Supreme Court on the  24  for                                                               
                         th                                                                                                     
8.5 hours. Also on the 24   prep for argument and attend argument                                                               
before the Supreme Court on appeal.  Both are on the same day.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. VOLLAND  stated that  appears to be  an error.  Normally that                                                               
time would have deleted for him attending oral arguments.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR THERRIAULT  stated that he  had another  question regarding                                                               
this.   He  had  a staff  person following  the  trial and  going                                                               
through who was  making the argument, on what day,  what level of                                                               
participation.   It  seemed that  someone at  the district  court                                                               
level there would be someone  second chairing, taking notes, etc.                                                               
That would  make sense to have  multiple people there.   But that                                                               
sort of reasoning holds as well for the Supreme Court.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. VOLLAND agreed and wasn't sure why Mr. Taylor was there.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
                                     th                                                                                         
CHAIR THERRIAULT asked  about July 20  billing  a call to Heather                                                               
Brakes, Senator  Therriault's staff for Budget  & Audit Committee                                                               
wasn't sure what that conversation was.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. VOLLAND stated that he  couldn't answer the question directly                                                               
but could explain that a  description was often shorthand for the                                                               
amount of  time it  might take  gathering materials  together for                                                               
the call.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  LANCASTER stated  that Representative  Mulder was                                                               
now present.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR THERRIAULT  asked for authority  from the Committee  to pay                                                               
the invoices after making some reductions and corrections.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  HOFFMAN wondered  how  long the  Chair anticipated  that                                                               
might take.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR THERRIAULT thought about a week or so.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
[There is no recording on Side B of Tape LBA 02-6.]                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
TAPE LBA 02-07, SIDE A                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                              
VICE CHAIR  FATE moved that  the Committee delegate  authority to                                                               
the Chairman  to make  a final  review of  the billings  and make                                                               
payment based on reasonable charges not to exceed $217,856.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  HOFFMAN   stated  he  did   not  object  based   on  the                                                               
understanding that  it would not  take more than  approximately a                                                               
week. There being no objection that motion passed.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
AUDIT REPORTS                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
VICE  CHAIR  FATE moved  that  the  committee go  into  Executive                                                               
Session  for  the  purposes   of  discussing  confidential  audit                                                               
reports under AS 24.20.301.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
VICE CHAIR  FATE moved that  committee return to  Regular session                                                               
following the  Executive Session at  2:55 p.m.  No  objection was                                                               
made.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
VICE CHAIR  FATE moved that  the following preliminary  audits be                                                               
released  for the  agencies for  response.   Those audit  reports                                                               
were [Department of Revenue, Treasury Revenue Management System                                                                 
Department  of Community  & Economic  Development, State  Medical                                                               
Board, Department  of Community & Economic  Development, Board of                                                               
Nursing, Department  of Community  & Economic  Development, Board                                                               
of Certified  Direct-Entry Midwives].   There were  no objections                                                               
to the motions to release the preliminary audits.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
VICE CHAIR FATE moved that  the following final audit be released                                                               
to the  public.  That audit  report was [State of  Alaska, Single                                                               
Audit for  the Fiscal Year Ended  June 30, 2001]. There  being no                                                               
objection the audit was released to the public.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
VICE  CHAIR  FATE  moved  that  the  Chairman  be  authorized  to                                                               
continue communications  with the commissioner of  DOTPF on Audit                                                               
No.  25-30016-02.    There  being no  objection  the  motion  was                                                               
approved.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
OTHER COMMITTEE BUSINESS                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                              
VETERANS' HOME STUDY                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  THERRIAULT moved  to the  next item  on the  Agenda, Other                                                               
Committee  Business.   He  stated  that  SB  2006 section  27  an                                                               
appropriation  was  made  to  the  Committee  in  the  amount  of                                                               
$250,000  for  a  study  of  the feasibility  of  a  stand  alone                                                               
Veterans' Home.   The  appropriation further  stated that  it was                                                               
the intent  of the  Legislature that  the Veterans'  Coalition be                                                               
consulted in the development of  the request of proposal process.                                                               
He  stated  that he  and  Commissioner  Jim  Duncan had  a  brief                                                               
meeting during the special session.   Commissioner Duncan offered                                                               
to  provide copies  of previous  studies dated  January 1993  and                                                               
June 30,  1999.  Those  were received and  looked at to  see what                                                               
questions had already been examined.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR THERRIAULT  stated that  before an  RFP could  be developed                                                               
and put  out for  proposals committee action  was needed  to give                                                               
him authority  to expend funds to  do that. It was  his intent to                                                               
do the same as was done with the  education cost study.   A group                                                               
would develop the RFP and also  that group would continue to work                                                               
with the successful bidder  as the work was done.   The idea of a                                                               
Veterans' Home is appealing but  the cost of construction and on-                                                               
going maintenance  and operation needed to  be weighed carefully.                                                               
He asked for comments and concerns of committee members.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  DAVIES was  concerned  that looking  at a  stand-                                                               
alone home only might be too narrow of a study.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR THERRIAULT explained that  the wording of the appropriation                                                               
allowed  the Committee  to look  at other  possible alternatives.                                                               
It was  his preference to  look at  cost of maintenance,  cost of                                                               
construction, and if those weren't  possible that the Legislature                                                               
be able to look at what other possibilities might be.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  DAVIES stated  he would  like to  adopt the  more                                                               
liberal interpretation of feasibility be adopted in the RFP.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR   THERRIAULT   stated   that  Commissioner   Duncan   was                                                               
interested in  the Committee contracting  with the  Department of                                                               
Administration  to  complete  the  work  on  its  own.    He  was                                                               
concerned that the committee not elect to do that.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  WILKEN stated  that at  the  Finance Committee  meetings                                                               
five options were  the topic of discussion.  He  went on run them                                                               
down and  hoped that study would  encompass all five.   The first                                                               
was to  do nothing.   The second was  a stand alone  pioneer home                                                               
somewhere  in the  state.   The  Third was  to  take an  existing                                                               
Pioneers  Home  somewhere  in  the  state  and  turn  it  into  a                                                               
veterans' home. The Fourth was  to have all, or certain Pioneers'                                                               
homes  segregated with  pioneers  and veterans  in  the home  but                                                               
segregated physically to  meet federal standards.   And fifth was                                                               
to combine  the pioneers  and veterans commingled  as many  of us                                                               
would like  to see happen  depending on federal regulations.   He                                                               
stated  that he  hoped that  the money  for this  study would  go                                                               
toward looking at each of these options.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REP. HARRIS seconded that motion.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR THERRIAULT agreed.   He went on to add  that there are some                                                               
in the state  that feel that if  a stand alone home  is not built                                                               
that the  state is snubbing  the veterans  as a group.   However,                                                               
looking at  the trend in  the state  and across the  country more                                                               
and more  are shying  away from  going into a  home.   Seniors in                                                               
general are looking for services to  allow them to live a quality                                                               
life in their own home.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
VICE CHAIR  FATE made a  motion that the Committee  authorize the                                                               
Chairman to  award and  enter into a  contract for  the Veteran's                                                               
Home cost study in an amount not to exceed $250,000.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR HOFFMAN  asked if members  would have a chance  to review                                                               
and provide comments on the contract.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
HEATHER  BRAKES,  Legislative  Budget &  Audit  Committee  Staff,                                                               
explained  that an  oversight committee  would  develop the  RFP,                                                               
review it, and award a contract.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR HOFFMAN expressed a concern to review the contract.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR THERRIAULT asked that a roll call vote be taken.                                                                        
Yeas:    Senators    Hoffman,     Wilken,    Chair    Therriault,                                                               
Representatives Harris, Lancaster, Mulder, Davies, and Fate.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Nays: none.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
The motion passed 8-0.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR THERRIAULT  asked Heather  Brakes, Committee Staff  to give                                                               
the  Committee an  update on  the status  of the  school district                                                               
cost study.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
HEATHER  BRAKES,  Legislative  Budget &  Audit  Committee  Staff,                                                               
explained  that  during the  special  session  she had  told  the                                                               
committee that  the contractor had  received a 95%  response rate                                                               
on  the  surveys.   The  response  rate was  now  at  100%.   The                                                               
contractors  are now  in the  process of  cleansing the  data and                                                               
putting the data together.  There  would be a draft report to the                                                               
oversight committee in  November and a final in  December.  There                                                               
was on-going communication with ALASBO working group.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR HOFFMAN  asked whether  or not there  would be  travel to                                                               
the school districts throughout the state.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MS. BRAKES  replied that  she did not  think that  the contractor                                                               
was planning to do so.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR THERRIAULT explained that the  ALASBO working group has led                                                               
to the 100% response rate from the school districts.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WILKEN asked  about the validation of the  data coming in                                                               
from the different school districts.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MS. BRAKES'  understanding was that the  contractors were working                                                               
closely  with  Eddy  Jeans  and   the  internal  auditor  at  the                                                               
Department of Education and the Department of Labor.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR THERRIAULT  stated that one  of the main objectives  of the                                                               
study was to have an end  product for the foundation formula.  So                                                               
that  when the  formula was  updated that  data sources  that are                                                               
reported to  the state could  be relied upon.   Then each  of the                                                               
school districts would not have to  be contacted again.  The data                                                               
the districts are already reporting  to different agencies of the                                                               
state could be used.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WILKEN  asked if there was  a sense of whether  they were                                                               
doing anything  different in Alaska to  validate information than                                                               
what they've  done with  their other  projects across  the United                                                               
States.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR THERRIAULT said  he did not know that  information could be                                                               
obtained from the contractors.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WILKEN  was concerned about the  validity and reliability                                                               
of the  data and pointed out  it will be questioned  by those who                                                               
are not happy about the study.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
AUDIT REQUESTS                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR THERRIAULT moved  next to an audit request  made by Senator                                                               
Leman.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MS.  DAVIDSON explained  that an  audit request  by Senator  Lyda                                                               
Green was  previously approved on  the Medicaid  Program internal                                                               
and external  controls.  Senator  Leman's request asked  the same                                                               
questions and  she recommended that  this request be  rolled into                                                               
the existing scope of Senator Green's request.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
FEDERAL REVIEW OF DIVISION OF FAMILY & YOUTH SERVICES                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MS. DAVIDSON passed  out a summary of the Department  of Health &                                                               
Social  Services, Division  of Family  & Youth  Services, federal                                                               
review results.   It is based on observation of  the audit staff.                                                               
The final federal  report will be out mid September.   Similar to                                                               
the results  of the self  assessment DFYS  was again found  to be                                                               
below standards.   In the area  of safety they were  found not to                                                               
be  responding timely  to lower  priority reports  of harm.  They                                                               
were not  making face-to-face contact  with children in  a timely                                                               
manner,  and  because of  a  lack  of  service options  DFYS  was                                                               
compelled to remove children from their homes.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
She went on  to explain that in the area  of permanency that DFYS                                                               
was  moving too  many  children too  often  between foster  care.                                                               
However, they  did compliment DFYS  on the balloon  project which                                                               
brought  together  state  inter-departmental and  private  sector                                                               
workers to move people into adoption.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
The  well-being section  is the  focus  of Representative  Fate's                                                               
audit request.   This is  an area that also  needed improvements.                                                               
Areas  of  concern  were  how   well  DFYS  addresses  children's                                                               
physical,   mental  health   and  specialized   education  needs.                                                               
Standards used  by the federal  review team  was 90% in  order to                                                               
show compliance  and they found  that in the cases  reviewed only                                                               
77% showed that a physical  assessment had been done.  Sixty-nine                                                               
percent showed  that a  mental health  assessment had  been done.                                                               
And 75% showed that an education evaluation had taken place.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
In addition  to those  the review also  looked at  seven systemic                                                               
factors.   Two were  found to be  in substantial  conformance and                                                               
five were found to not be in substantial conformance.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
The  first  one  in  substantial conformance  was  the  statewide                                                               
information system.  She questioned  accuracy of that assessment.                                                               
The other area was the  agency's responsiveness to the community.                                                               
The  reviewers  identified  key  strengths  including  state  and                                                               
village   Tribal    coordination   and    the   use    of   other                                                               
multidisciplinary groups.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
The  five areas  that were  not in  substantial conformance  were                                                               
with statewide case  review.  A lack of clear  goal oriented case                                                               
plans, that  parents and  children are  not actively  involved in                                                               
case  planning and  that there  were numerous  continuous delays.                                                               
Secondly,  DFYS  lacks any  formal  quality  assurance system  to                                                               
evaluate  the agencies  performance  on an  ongoing  basis.   The                                                               
training of  social workers and foster  parents needs substantial                                                               
improvements.   The array of services  available are insufficient                                                               
to meet the  needs of families involved with DFYS  and the review                                                               
team  specifically identified  areas  of alcohol  and drug  abuse                                                               
treatment.    Foster  and adoptive  parent  relationships  -  the                                                               
reviewers  took  exception  to  the number  of  times  that  DFYS                                                               
allowed the foster parents to be  exempted from the full array of                                                               
state licensing standards.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR THERRIAULT asked for an example.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MS.  DAVIDSON,  responded  that  an exemption  might  be  from  a                                                               
criminal background  check.  Sometimes that  wouldn't be required                                                               
before children are placed with the  foster parents.  She went on                                                               
to explain  that the state  will have 90  days to develop  a plan                                                               
improvement which  will address how  the division will  bring its                                                               
standards within compliance. This will be an on-going review                                                                    
happening again in three to four years.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR HOFFMAN noted that an area not addressed is the                                                                         
uniformity of services provided throughout the state.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MS. DAVIDSON stated that there were  50 cases that were looked at                                                               
in  Anchorage, Mat-Su,  and Nome.   She  agreed that  conclusions                                                               
could not  be drawn with  regard to how  each of the  office were                                                               
serving the public. Identification  of deficiencies were probably                                                               
statewide.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
[There is no recording on Side B of Tape LBA 02-7.]                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
There being no further business before the committee, the Joint                                                                 
Committee on Legislative Budget and Audit meeting was adjourned                                                                 
by CHAIR THERRIAULT.                                                                                                            

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